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| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:37 AM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01  | On the issue of respect... I know that this may start a debate that no one here, including me, wants to have, especially now. But I promise you, I have thought before I posted. The issue of whether or not God exists has come up on this board a number of times- and healthily so, as it has been the basis of intelligent discussions and debates for centuries. Whether or not I agree with the views of other board members, and whether or not they agree with me, is not the case. I never came here to convert anyone, never started any arguments of my own. I only stood here and defended what was accused to the best of my 19 years of religious schooling and lifestyle in the Catholic church. My opinions are my own. They are based in Catholicism, but I know my own mind. There are aspects of the Church with which I wholeheartedly disagree. But my lifestyle is in God, in my religion, and in my spirituality. The point is, I think it is very disrespectful for people on this board to say "Fuck God!" and "God doesn't exist; if He did, He wouldn't've let this happen!" "God can't help you because He's dead!" These are, whether you realize it or not, HUGE statements. To someone who lives this lifestyle, these are like arrows in the heart. My heart breaks to see the anger you direct at my God, at a God I believe watches over you, whether or not you believe in Him. There are many people on this board who believe in God, a God, any God, many gods, to different degrees. Right now, I and those people are putting our faith in our gods. We’re praying for the dead. We’re praying for the survivors. We’re praying for all the people who are fighting to save those who are still trapped. We’re praying that this will never happen again. We’re praying that we don’t go to war, but that if we do, we will come to a swift resolution. Right now, in this tragedy, and in others like it in the past, I think it is disgusting, and simply disrespectful, to come here and say “FUCK GOD!†No one comes here and posts a thread that says, “God must exist! It was such a beautiful day! So many good things happened today! I have a home, a job, food on my table, loved ones, my health! I live in America, a country that gives me the freedom to do things I couldn’t do in any other country!†I know we all have shitty personal days, but I truly believe that thanking God, or at least being grateful, for your good days will help you get through the worst days. There are no atheists in fox holes, they say. Those people in those planes, most of them must have been praying to whatever god would hear them… Those people trapped under tons of rubble must have been praying that God would guide their rescuers to save them. And those rescuers…. So many of us here have been praying for those heroes… This is a sick tragedy. I don’t understand it. Living with God in my life doesn’t give me all the answers. But it helps me live through these things. I have a place to put my hope and energy. That’s what God is to a lot of people. I don’t care if God did every single thing that they say He did in the Bible. Burning bush or no, I don’t care right now. I care that there are people trapped, people dead, people trying to save other people’s lives. I care that there are orphans now, widows. There are holes shaped like people all over the country. Empty spots that can’t be filled by anything tangible. But I firmly believe that our loses will be recouped one day, in heaven, or whatever you want to call it. This isn’t a call to convert. This isn’t a PR move on behalf of the Catholic Church. This is a cry for decency. Think before you post. I know you’re angry, I know you want revenge. But your revenge will not bring people back to us. It won’t reconstruct those buildings, or restore our beliefs that we, America, are impregnable. Hate who you will, human or God. But remember that there are those of us who put our faith in God, and who rely on God to keep us strong. When you say “FUCK GOD!†you take away a piece of my hope, a piece of other peoples’ strength. This is an open board. Say what you will. I’ll never call for any kind of censorship here. If I don’t like what I read, I’ll leave. But think before you post. (Please, no long-winded debates about God’s existence. That’s not what this post was for. Post your replys, agreements or disagreements, but no fighting, please.) Respectfully, Julie  Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand..."If God exists and he reads this message board, we are all going to hell." - The Sleeper | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:42 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | I believe in GOD maybe not in the biblical sense of what is written but that is beyond the point. Point is to use GOD as a scapegoat is assanine. What did you expect a giant hand to come out of the sky and stop the plane? God creates us but we have free will. We love to embrace GOD during the good and curse GOD in the bad. But who here can look in the mirror and say we have been good people? Who here is without sin? Yes that is not to say the people in the WTC deserved to die but utopia does not exist. People bitch GOD didn't answer my prayer, why cause it didn't come through? Well GOD did answer your prayer and GOD said no, ever think that? Look to ourselves not GOD at this point. Just pray that we get through this now. I understand we have atheists here but lets not turn this into a GOD doesn't exist board if you didn't believe before this tragedy.  "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling May God Have Mercy On thier Souls. Beacuse We Will Not. -- John McCain 9-12-01 She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Mrs. Moosen You think Flock is the real mod? Ha! Think again. USA | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:47 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Thank You Julie. I know this may not be popular. I have strong faith, and at times like this it is tested, but over the last few days I THANKED God for sparing my family, and for giving me more time with them. I cannot fathom the pain and horror of those who haven't been as blessed. | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:49 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | GS, that's exactly the point. If you want to blame anyone, blame the human beings that TRAINED for this, that PLANNED this, that EXECUTED this, and who TOOK THE LIVES OF OVER 50.000 OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. God or no God, these human beings took the lives of other human beings. It was planned. It was thought out. It happened. Blaming God does no good. What will we do? Bomb God? If He doesn't exist, as so many say, good luck finding Him. | ||||
| FoundryMusicJeff | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:54 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Religion is a disease. Religious fanatacisim has been the enduring source of hatred and social dissonance for ages, and everpresent at the core if this tragedy. So many atrocities have been commitied in the name of G-d/Allah, I don't even know where to start. Christian Evangelists make MILLIONS a year off of suckers through merchandise...filling stadiums with mindless automotons entranced with thier false promises of prosperity and hope through faith. Humanity has done a hell of a job without a peep from divine providence, and it will continue to do so. Faith in religion/higher powers is superfluous in this age of reality and technology. It is a distraction and an excuse, and my opinion on this will never waiver. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat   | ||||
| IrishAlkey Chucky Official OA.com Homo CUNT ROCKETTE Look who's laughing now, fuckers!!! Is It In Yet? JYD-4-LIFE [Sarcasm]Subzero316 fan since day one!!1!![/Sarcasm] "my mod powers are on temporary hiatus" This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:55 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 01 | Faith has no time limit as we know it. The notion of God and faith is beyond our knoweledge as human beings. The one thing as a human I believe we are capable of understanding and truly feeling is love, which will enable all of us to make it through this tragedy. Whether it be love for a fellow person or for whatever one may believe in as far as faith and God is concerned, the ability to love is what is driving all of us right now. | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 4:58 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | well mrs moosen brought up a poignant point in her reply, by sayingquote: Now ponder this simple question. Now i know how horrific losing someone is so don't take this as making light but as a simple point. Take the person who is saying GOD doesn't exist because he/she lost a loved one in the WTC. Now take that same person but now they didn't lose someone but their loved one made it out. Woudln't that same person who condemed GOD now be thanking GOD? belief and hope is all we have sometimes, but GOD may have created this and landlords it but he can't control it. You build a house and own it but if you rent it doesn't mean you can control a crazy tenant or two. "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling May God Have Mercy On thier Souls. Beacuse We Will Not. -- John McCain 9-12-01 She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:01 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Jeff, I heard you say this before. But, seriously... My sitting in my church, praying that those people, those innocent people, who are burried alive, praying for those people, those heroic people, who are fighting to save them.... Is that a disease? To use God selfishly, to wage a war and say God is behind you, to kill, and say it was God's will... I think THAT is a disease--- Not Islam, but the "religions" that fanatics pass off and right and just. I think, Jeff, that you can at least see SOME difference between the people who pray to God for stength and peace, and the people who USE god for their own power and control. The meek shall inherit the earth. Meek does not mean crashing planes into inhabited towers. They will never WIN. They have already LOST. They have already turned for God, from GOODNESS. They're already lost. quote: Exactly! Free will. People do good. People do bad. But that doesn't mean God doesn't exist, or isn't important. This message was edited by katya_ann on 9-13-01 @ 5:08 AM | ||||
| FoundryMusicJeff | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:05 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Following the same analogy, doesn't mean you can't evict either...and if the water is broken, the landlord usually finds a way to fix it for you. Well, water's been running for centuries and my apartment has filled and overflowed several times. Wish I could move, but technology isn't there yet... Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat | ||||
This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm I Mod VG's ass! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:09 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | although i don't normally practice any type of religion, i have found myself saying prayers recently...to whom, i'm not quite sure, but i hope someone out there is listening... i personally don't care what religous beliefs people have or what god they believe in... but i try to refrain from intentionally hurting someone else due to their religous beliefs...  | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:13 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | jeff but refute my other statement, that i would love to see. My last analogy was the least important part of the post quote: I've had a leak in my apt for 16 years my landlord told me to go fuck myself. But if you wanna decipher a small analogy, your landlord charges you rent GOD gave you a gift called life. But if you don't wanna believe don't but don't start not believing NOW is the point. If you've been an atheist for years don't even bother replying as i said. Your goverment failed you,, not GOD. "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling May God Have Mercy On thier Souls. Beacuse We Will Not. -- John McCain 9-12-01 She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| IrishAlkey Chucky Official OA.com Homo CUNT ROCKETTE Look who's laughing now, fuckers!!! Is It In Yet? JYD-4-LIFE [Sarcasm]Subzero316 fan since day one!!1!![/Sarcasm] "my mod powers are on temporary hiatus" This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:18 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: No matter what one's take on religion is, the bottom line is humanity is at fault, and here is why. If you believe in a "god," then you also believe that "god" created people imperfect, fallible. These same people make up our government, make up our entire civilization. If you don't believe in a "god," then needless to say humanity is still at fault because who else is there to put the blame on. Ultimately, our humanity fails us because it enables us to make free choices. In the case at hand the choices made caused the loss of massive amounts of life. Humans made the choice, not "god." This message was edited by IrishAlkey on 9-13-01 @ 5:27 AM | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: Human beings were responsible on all ends. America didn't take enough precautions- didn't take these threats seriously- disbanded the CIA- overlooked warning. People took the lives of people. quote:If I promise to make it smaller and nice and fit it within regulations, can I put that in my sig line :) | ||||
| FoundryMusicJeff | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:29 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Of course. That's not what I'm talking about. I equate the cathartic benefits of praying with a couple of hours with a good shrink. It's just a way to deal, and I understand that...but people need to see the distinction between people coming together to support one another in crisis and the futility of praying to an entity that either can't or won't respond, if it exists. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat | ||||
| FoundryMusicJeff | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:34 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | By the way, I'm not blaming God. Blaming something that doesn't exist is utterly fruitless. I'm blaming the people who take advantage of this to spread propaganda and hock merchandise to line thier pockets. I have no problems with the good people of the world who uses it as an way to help people deal...I use the word people, not priests...priests are just unlicensed shrinks in my opinion. I mean, what is confession? Jesus...take away the booths and replace it with an office and a couch. Church is just a house of therapy, often times not very good therapy. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 5:38 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Jeff, just a quick "standard" response to confession. It IS therapy. But it's also so much more. I firmly believe that Jesus works through the priest, and that the priest is not JUST a priest. He is Jesus at the point. The conversation you have in that little booth is sacred. It is a DIRECT LINK TO GOD. Confessing your sins is acknowledging your mistakes, your shortcomings, your horrible deeds, what have you. It proves to God your sorrow and regret, and most importantly, you WILLINGNESS TO DO BETTER. If you don't believe in God, or havn't been raised in this belief, it is very hard to comprehend. Believe me when I say that I didn't believe it fully at first. I believe it now because I don't have any reason not to. Honestly. I believe when I speak to that priest in confession, I am speaking directly to God. He hears me and responds in HIS words, using the voice of the priest. Bear in mind, THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF THE PRIEST IS GOOD OF HEART AND IS NOT OVER POWERED BY HIS OWN SELFISH HUMAN OPINIONS. If his heart is selfish, if he doesn't allow God to speak through him, it's usless. This is another example of man getting in God's way, unfortunately. Remember-- Never let a man in a collar or a nun in a habit, anyone in religious garb or with a title, tell you that you are not worthy of the love of God. | ||||
| slackjaw The Cunt-Twat is my WORLD! The Great Pumpkin | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 6:37 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Ok, not to defile or debate, but as much as you may feel it is disrespectful for others who do not share your beliefs to demean your God it is their right. Keep in mind that in the opinions of those that disagree with you, it is every bit as disrespectful to them when a person tells them that if they do not believe in God they will burn in hell. My spirituality is not a concern here. I have my own beliefs and they are based in tolerence for others. One thing I must tell you and you can not refute this because it is 100 percent true. God IS to blame here, or more the concept of God is to blame. The terrorists who commit these acts do so because they believe that it puts them in God's good graces. The fact that there is no blinding proof as to who's concept of God is correct is what allows this "Holy War" to rage. I could go into this in much more depth, but I really do not want to debate the issue... it will not help ease any suffering, so I really don't see the point. At this time, I encourage those of you who have faith of some sort, whatever it may be, to seek solace in your God. This is a time for us to come together as a nation, not to debate theology.  Currently newbieless...unbelieveable! | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 6:50 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | slackjaw-- Okay. I hear you. But what I'm saying is, when people just say "God is to blame," and then say God doesn't exist.... Can you at least see where the problem is? I don't think anyone who doesn't except Jesus as their Lord, or God as their creator, are going to hell. But I think that there is punishment in store for people like terrorists who use God and the idea of God to take others' lives and to cause such cahos. I think someone who takes such a deliberate turn from God is going to be punished some how. God, karma, whatever. Believe me, it was never my intention to have a debate on theology. I have no beef with whatever you or anyone else believes. What I'm saying is, people here need not censor themselves, but they DO need to be at least aware that what they are saying is affecting others. And everyone needs to be aware that people mourn in different ways. I get that people are angry, and they need to start a few FU threads-- But when YOU SEE that people have mentioned "Pray for my mother" or "Thank God for those firemen," just realize that maybe "God" is just the word they're giving human strength and enurance and courage. Why should I feel BAD that I believe in God and that helps me not lose faith in turn in my fellow Americans? Say what you will about God, but know that I will always stand up to defend those who want to live out their faith, even in small ways, on this board. I don't think you're defiling the thread in any way, btw :) Thank you, seriously, for what you've said. I'm sure it echos a lot of other people's opinions. "I'll fly my country's flag outside my home everyday for the rest of my life, even if it's three inches tall and hoisted on a toothpick! GOD BLESS AMERICA!" --My dad | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 6:59 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | If God couldn't even save his own son, what hope do we have. | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 7:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Jesus came to die, literally and figurativly, for the sins of humanity. It was fortold in the Old Testament, and his death was necesarry to prove that he WAS God. He rose again, three days later, answering the Old Testament prophesies, and his own prophesies. I know. You're thinking, "Prove it." I can only prove it to you if you believe the evidence I do-- The words in the bible, and accounts throughout history. It's a strange loop-- (the general you) You can't understand it unless you live it, and you can't live it unless you understand it. I'm sorry if what I post is confusing. But I assure you that what I post as fact is what the Church teaches. What I post as opinion, I'll point out, or at least phrase it so it's clearly my own. When Jesus was on the cross and said "Eli, eli, lemma sabuchtani," "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?" he was not calling for God to save him, God did not fail in saving him. Jesus was quoting Old Testament scripture, and praying to his father. "I'll fly my country's flag outside my home everyday for the rest of my life, even if it's three inches tall and hoisted on a toothpick! GOD BLESS AMERICA!" --My dad | ||||
| slackjaw The Cunt-Twat is my WORLD! The Great Pumpkin | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 7:11 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: I hear you, I honestly do. That is pretty much what I was trying to say in my post when I told people to find solace in their God. If it gives you strength, or eases your pain, then by all means, pray to whomever you need to. P.S. I am more or less playing Devil's Advocate here. My personal beliefs have not and will not be stated in this thread, as they are not an issue. I simply want to make sure everybody sees others sides of the issue. Off to work now, peace be with you all. :) Currently newbieless...unbelieveable! This message was edited by slackjaw on 9-13-01 @ 7:18 AM | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 8:03 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Their were men praying to their god that their aim would be true and that Americans would die. Now we pray to our God for help. For the people who thank God that their loved ones were spared. Does that mean God so loved them that he spared them. Does he love the victims and their families less? Or could it be that lax security and not Allah enabled the terrorists to complete their mission. Random chance and not God, determined the fate of New Yorkers. Katya why pray to God if it has no results. Why show up every week and Worship this entity that could sit by and watch. If he does exist, as you believe and I doubt, clearly he ignores us.... so why not ignore him right back. | ||||
| FoundryMusicJeff | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 8:18 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: As Jay Mohr puts it, Ken's Pen...you crystallized my thoughts eloquently. WHY PRAY TO G-D IF YOU GET NO FUCKING RESULTS? For centuries we've been investing our time and being in prayer. How much prayer is enough? Shouldn't ONE be enough? The human race has invested SO MUCH TIME in prayer and sacrifice to ALLAH/GOD. Can you imagine how high the money would stack if I had a dollar for every prayer/religious sacrifice? We're like an ex-girlfriend who keeps calling but the boyfriend won't pick up. If G-d exists he either doesn't care, doesn't want to listen, doesn't know how to respond, or doesn't understand. Maybe he is SO above this that he doesn't even equate it with right or wrong...he's just a big guy moving about creating celestial bodies for fun. This is just mental masturbation really, I'm just playing with an idea...I still don't believe in his existence. WAKE UP. Nobody's channeling G-d or anything else. The only channeling I do is with a remote control and a hotbox. Katya, think about the stories that you hold so dear. Ever play Grapevine? You know, you tell a story about a man who gives 10 oranges to his sons to sell at the market, it goes through about ten people and at the end its like 10 sons killed an orange man at a market. It's all conjecture, embellishment, most of all, flat out wives tales and urban legends passed down from generation to generation...like the Jersey Devil here in my homestate. Christ...give it about a thousand years...someone stumbles on the Blair Witch movie...doesn't do the research, it becomes a cult legend, spreads around the world, everyone accepts it as a given. Fuck, people were quick to accept the Blair Witch as truth as it was being released! We are a nation of SUCKERS, ready and willing to jump on the bandwagon of the next great movement. The stories are fantastic...I mean it doesn't get any better than the Bible. Sodom and Gommoroah, Jesus, Satan...it's the stories of the ages, but that's it. They are paraboles of life to learn and grow from, like any fairy tale with a moral. Teach those life lessons, by all means. Just realize that's where the story ends, and REAL life begins. Here's another interesting point I was thinking about...you have to suffer for 70-80 years to earn a lifetime of eternal happiness in heaven. Some God there. Pray to someone like that? Kiss my ass. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat | ||||
| MaynardGKrebs | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 9:17 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Jan. 01 | I could go on about this topic for hours on end, and have in the past with others. I have no firm stance on God. I unfortunately can't find the faith that others have. Would I like it? You bet! Faith is a strong thing. I have a few things to say.quote: Ken, who say's he ignores us? Someone else said maybe he just makes decisions on which prayers get answered. REMEMBER PEOPLE, this is a HOLY WAR! Which means that these guys asked their God for the guidance and strength to carry out the task of hijacking the plane and flying it into a building. In return, we asked God for the strength to cope with this. He answered both of our requests. Maybe someone somewhere asked him to NOT allow this to happen, but he didn't ignore that request, he just denied it. Maybe God really is watching over these people and allowing them to do this for HIS reasons. They say God has a plan for all of us. Maybe the passangers on that flight were the martyrs. What I am saying is that you don't know what God had to do with any of this. Maybe there is no God. That's right, maybe he doesn't exist at all, and these guys had a really great plan and carried it out because of our lax security. My point is we don't have any concrete evidence either way. Jeff, I dislike your views and your "preaching" just as much as I dislike the views and preaching of the religious fanatics that push God down my throat. You are 100% allowed to not believe in God. You are allowed to state your opinions. But in reading your original few posts in this thread, it appears to me that you are just arguing the fact of the existance of God. Go back and read Katya's first post. She says please don't say that God doesn't exist, or say F God. It botheres her, and other people on this board. You are entitled to your opinion and are fully empowered to voice them here, or anywhere else in the U.S.A. "GOD? BLESS THE USA". But does your voicing those opinions in THIS particular thread make you any better then the people that said "Who cares?" to the person that said their mother had cancer? I say no. These are my thoughts and opinions on this matter, and like I said, I could go on for days. Jeff, that wasn't an attack on you, but just a please realize that people's opinions differ from your own, and realize that this is something that people feel VERY strongly about. Please don't push your Disbelief down our throats. | ||||
| 2 tired 2 give N F One of the Teen Tomatoe Boys is Retarted... Guess which one I am!!! | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 9:27 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Jesus said with the faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains... Now here's a thought...maybe God let this happen...back in the old testament when the Israelites were screwing around with idols and false gods God took his hand of protection from off of them... America was founded by ministers and church leaders...everyone of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence was a faithful church attender and had a commitment to their church...Today however we've take the "Separation of Church and State" to a new extreme...to the point where they want to remove "In God We Trust" from our money...Our nation has totally turned it's back on the God of our forefathers...now I'm only saying that MAYBE, repeat MAYBE, God let this happen so that we would turn back to him and not say "F HIM"...because if that was his reason, then if we don't turn back this won't be the end... My prayers are with GWB...he's got the hardest job in America now...I hope he makes a decision based on Godly counsel and that America will rise above... codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=5,0,0,0" WIDTH=250 HEIGHT=250> "As I sail through the night... Let us not forget, There is hope..." | ||||
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