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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Detailed news on WWF split into two promotions starting Jan. 7th, including roster moves, PPV news, etc. | ||||
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| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 9:53 AM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01  | Once the WWF splits into two separate rosters on Jan. 7, as detailed in this week's Torch Newsletter, one half of the roster will be seen exclusively on Raw, the other half will be seen exclusively on Smackdown. The roster will be split as part of an on-air draft. In order to solve the dilemma of being burdened with a "weaker brand name" for one of the two groups, both groups will be referred to as the WWF (as reported by Jason Powell in yesterday's 11/28 Torch Today). Each "division" of the WWF will be given its own name, similar to Major League Baseball featuring a "National League" and an "American League." The names of each WWF division or conference have not been determined yet. Steve Austin will likely end up the top babyface in one division, while Rock will be the top babyface in the other. Austin will only appear on either Raw or Smackdown; Rock will only appear on the other. Last month in the Torch Newsletter, Vince McMahon acknowledged the problem of having to decide which network - TNN or UPN - would be chosen to feature the "new" brand instead of the WWF. Rather than have to convince either network to accept a non-WWF brand, both brands will have WWF in the title. Each division of the WWF will have its own PPVs each month starting sometime in the first half of the year (probably after WrestleMania), according to Linda McMahon last week. However, PWTorch.com has learned that house shows will remain unaffected. As reported in this week's Torch cover story, the WWF was facing some problems regarding how to handle house shows after the split. Would one roster be used primarily for big markets while the other was used for smaller markets? Vince McMahon didn't want to set up one division as being weaker than the other. The solution decided upon at this point is to keep house shows a combination of both divisions. The selling point of the house shows will be that unlike Raw or Smackdown or PPVs, fans will get to see stars from both divisions at their local arena on the same show. However, the wrestlers will only be matched up against other wrestlers from their division. So no wrestler who appears exclusively on Raw will be matched against a wrestler who appears exclusively on Smackdown. The WWF will continue to run two shows per night on weekends, but rather than have one show feature wrestlers from one division while the other features wrestlers from the other division, both shows will feature a combination of wrestlers with the usual pattern of the biggest names being booked for the larger market's house show each night. No decisions have been made regarding how the titles will be handled, although most likely the current "World Title" will end up in the division that drafts the wrestler holding the title at the time of the draft, while the "WWF Title" will end up in the division that drafts the wrestler holding that title. credit: PWTorch.com Personal Note: I guess the whole point of bringing Flair in was to have a guy who will take his half of the WWF and make it something else. That means that one of the two groups would be owned solely by Flair. Which means No McMahon on one of the shows each week? That's ... that's ... so ... un-McMahonish! Also, how are seperate guys supposed to have the two belts if they are gonna be unified at Vengeance? Either that report is false or I smell screwjob on December 9th. Oh well, at least it will lead to three great matches probably so I'd live with it. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO! This message was edited by Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! on 11-30-01 @ 10:04 AM | ||||
| Vapour | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 10:15 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: to the contrary, that is exactly like Vince. He'll do anything for the success of the company. I kinda like this Idea. Of course we knew it was gonna happen. Having two shows with different rosters is just what the WWF needs. They will now be able to push other deserving wrestlers into big names. The only thing I'll like to see is have inter-organization mathes. say wrestlemania, Have folks from Raw battle those on Smackdown. But I guess quote: This will play into my senerio, have the top name from each show battle at a prestigious PPV (wretlemania) the winner is the undisputed wrestling Chapion. Much like the supper bowl,world series, NBA champion...you know the rest. Can you smell it? | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 10:25 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Actually, I shouldn't have said having no VINCE was un-McMahonish, I probably should've said having no MCMAHONSSSS is so un-McMahonish. I mean, since Wrestlemania 14, has there ever been a time when there was a WWF show without at least a mention of the McMahons in a current storyline? Of course, HHH will likely end up in Flair's WWF and force Stephanie to come as well just to make me look like a retard again, but that's another story. I definitely agree that this is a good idea too, and I've said that since the idea first came up over the summer. I also think its smart to not have one of them be WCW. That brand name has a bad stigma made even worse by being led on to look weak in the Alliance storyline, so WCW should be on the shelf for a couple years before the stigma is lessened and maybe even forgotten and you can bring it back if you want. Right now, even if the fans all know it's owned by the WWF, I'm not sure fans will ever look at the WCW show and not think of it as weaker no matter who you put there. Also, I loooooooooove your idea of making Wrestlemania the only inter-promotion show of the year, Vapour. Maybe not THIS year because it will be too close after the split happenned for it to mean anything, but in 2003 and every year after, if you got an interpromotion PPV to make it seem like a true Super Bowl, that would be friggin sweet. And it makes sense, since BOTH promotions are called the WWF, then the WHOLE WWF should share in the "spectacle that is Wrestlemania" right? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO! | ||||
| Sgt. Squeegie | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | quote: Great....Now I'll be shelling out 60 bucks a month on Pay Per Views....Anyone know where I can get a cheater box?  United as a nation we stand and united as a nation we will kick some Bin Laden ASS! I am a real American Fight for the rights of every man I am a real american Fight for whats right Fight for your life MSN Messenger: waybaker@hotmail.com This message was edited by Sgt. Squeegie on 11-30-01 @ 11:23 AM | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:58 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | as i was reading that piece, i was thinking the same thing sgt...great, now we are paying even more for ppv's...perhaps they could lower the cost to $20 each for the fans?? and if anyone gives that info on hot boxes to sgt, give it to all of us, we will need it!  AIM: SkiT4you | ||||
| spitfire421 | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 12:09 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Ha, I was thinking the same thing...anyone with details on a black box for a Scientific Atlanta converter? :) I really hope that they don't split the ppv's though.  You can unlock any door, if you only have the key. NEVER FORGET!!! | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 12:21 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | This is where I got mine two years ago.. They can also be found on Ebay for a lot less money, but if you buy from a person as oppossed to a company, you're taking a big chance on either getting ripped off, reported or both. There are some details involved with ordering from the first link that I'd rather not post here(keeping Froy out of trouble) so email or AIM me and I'll fill you in.  You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! | ||||
| matilda | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 1:43 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | this split does sound a good idea but you're right about the ppvs: you guys (hehe not me) are gonna be paying a fortune to watch them and they're really not going to mean much. if there's 2 ppvs a month (1 every 2 weeks) then they're just not anything special, pretty much a regular show. even at the moment with one a month, with the exception of Wrestlemania, summerslam and the royal rumble, they mean absolutly nothing, no one (that i know..) really gets excited about them anymore because they happen so often. my website "WELL, IT'S ONE LOUDER, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT TEN" (the artist formerly known as edge) **Official Good Will Embassador from England** | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 2:27 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | I think this is a good idea especially with the amount of tallent they have so that will have a chance to show case instead of the same group of guys getting all the attention. The only negative thing that I can forsee happning is all interleague play so to say. I also see that there will also be the possblity thatwe will have wrestlers jumping from one league to the other.... | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 2:38 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | I like the idea of a split, but to a point. I'd rather see it with just one federation, that tries to keep one group of people on one show, and another group on the other, but not have concrete boundaries. IE if Stone Cold is on one show and Angle is on the other, that they'd still be able to have a feud between the two. I wouldn't like it if the split was where to the guys on RAW, the ones on Smackdown don't even exist anymore. PS Anyone know where to get a box on LI? I don't trust ordering on the internet at all.  | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 2:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Unless you know some shady people that you can trust, this would be the most practical way to get one. I've gotten 6 myself (for friends, etc.) and never had a problem. To get back on topic, I like the idea of separate feds and really like the idea of the two feds butting heads at Wrestlemania, but I think 2 PPV's a month is too much. If anything they should switch off months. It would give each fed more time to develop a storyline in between PPV's, and most likely lead to much better storylines instead of rushing them out to make the PPV. You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! | ||||
| HyBriD FN Moron is an indian giver!! I had my cool status for about 10 min. then it was gone. GONE! G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Agent WD40 Licensed to Kill My spoon is TOO BIG. (finally) Hanger-on to the JYDs for LIFE I INVENTED ORANGE MOTHERFUCKER This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 3:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | this idea is ok. but how will the wwf survive without having rock vs. austin every 4 months?(<---sarcasm). it should be wwf and ECW not wcw or anything else. CEBOLLA | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 4:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I don't know about having ECW and the WWF. Old school ECW was great, it just had serious financial issues. It was hardcore, bloody, totally not family-friendly. The WWF is not exactly dinner-table discussion material either, but compared to ECW, it is watered down. a WWF run ECW will be just as watered down, and noone will really buy into it (I won't at least). You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 5:39 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: That is exactley why I think they will be having interleague play....We just cannot go six month without seeing this main event in a PPV | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | This division thing isn't good. They should just have all the guys in one federation and get rid of the WCW title. Wasn't the WWF's goal when they bought WCW to obtain their wrestlers and make the WWF roster filled with popular and main event wrestlers? Now that the invasion is over, they should bring them in and use them properly. Make it old style WWF. Return to the way it would have been if the WWF never bought WCW, just add in their stars. They need new writers. Divisions will just make this bullshit. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 9:21 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Rageparty, the biggest problem the WWF has had since the damn Invasion angle was the fact that there are too many wrestlers! 2 hours and they have to fill out a limited number of spots with the biggest roster on Earth. And since they have to have guys on EVERY show (the main eventers and semi-main eventers) it's even more crowded and you get stuck with Lance Storm on Jakked. This has been the biggest problem for the writing staff, it is impossible to fit everyone in there. It's the same problem WCW had in 1998/99 when the WWF started to take over, no direction because there was too much talent that was underutilized and so you try to fit everyone in there because you should, and your company ends up going down the toilet because of, believe it or not, TOO MUCH TALENT! By splitting the WWF up, now Lance Storm can have a home on Raw or Smackdown, the Hurricane can actually develop a character that means something, Scotty 2 Hotty can go back to the big shows, etc. It's something they shoulda done right away after purchasing WCW. To be honest, I don't know how anyone can disagree that this is a big step up for the WWF. Come to think of it, it makes WCW look that much more stupid for not making Thunder the "NWO show" as they originally planeed when making it. Certainly, other factors led to their demise, but the overload of talent in the late 90s led to so much confusion and underutilized talent that eventually there was none left because nobody wanted to stay there, or because the fans couldn't identify with anyone that was talented because they were too busy being relegated to Saturday Night before getting their chance on Nitro, thus ruining their credibility. To me, it was the biggest factor in their demise. Even more than ego. The WWF is smart to learn form that. Now, to answer some questions PWTorch.com's Wade Keller then had THIS to say: quote: So, interleague play isn't going to be common, once a year and MAYBE twice a year if they decide to go that route with SummerSlam. Looks like Vapour's plan might come to fruition after all! They also said that the plans to make the split be official and the "draft" be as quick as Jan. 7th (at MSG, BTW) , are tentative but still likely and the split will definitely happen evewntually if not January 7th. Personally, I'm glad that interleague would then be only once a year because it would make those events that much more special. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO! | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | You're right, it is crowded. But don't you think a division wouldn't be the same without Rocky and Stone Cold together. I say they go with a WCW Division, WWF Division format. All of the loyal WCW guys can go to the WCW Division. I would want to see a normal type of WWF again. Now some bullshit with the word WCW and Alliance coming up all the time. I want the type of WWF atleast in the direction it would have gone to if the Invasion never happened. It's time to get over the WCW, it's gone, WWF won, time to move on. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | When i read this, i broke out a big smile on my face. There are so many possibilities with this, and it solves many problems with the amount of wrestlers there. I love the idea of it being like baseball having a WWF, but having an AL and an NL type of format. I like just about everything about this whole thing, and the WWF will make HUGE amounts of money with those ppv's. I think a good idea is for some people to be in one federation, and not be happy that they are there (example: having Austin in McMahon's division). Fan of the Giants and the Rangers. Hater of the rest of the NFC East and the Devils. | ||||
| prototype | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 4:40 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | It sounds good will the two conbine once and awhile for a world series type thing? USA Bin Laden is a dead man Free Northern Ireland This message was edited by prototype on 12-1-01 @ 4:42 AM | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 6:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | They probably will have mixed matches at PPV's, I personally think this idea will be stupid after about 2 PPV's. Wrestlemania's matches will probably have all mixed division matches. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 12-03-2001 @ 7:47 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | The latest:quote: Question: Won't they need all this talent for their January PPV, which requires many people, the Royal Rumble.  | ||||
| Vapour | posted on 12-03-2001 @ 11:40 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: ??? Who are they? You mean the 10 Loyal WCW guys? Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt that why they were loosing money. No body was watching their shows. Did you see the attendance at what i thought was one of the most important show in WCW history, their final show. There was only a hand full of spectators. I think the WWF is doing the right thing by scraping the WCW name because nobody, except for maybe those 10 loyal fance, would watch the show Can you smell it? | ||||
| HyBriD FN Moron is an indian giver!! I had my cool status for about 10 min. then it was gone. GONE! G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Agent WD40 Licensed to Kill My spoon is TOO BIG. (finally) Hanger-on to the JYDs for LIFE I INVENTED ORANGE MOTHERFUCKER This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm | posted on 12-03-2001 @ 11:53 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | the wwf sucks. they need to do something major to get them back on top. hopefully this is it. CEBOLLA | ||||
| gosoxcsucker | posted on 12-04-2001 @ 1:06 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | If they sign kevin nash ,scott hall and scott stiener, then they don't need rock and austin to be in diffrent divisions. I heard they are what is supposed to hold this idea together. The big WCW names they lacked during the invasion. While these guys suck at in ring action, i have to see how the outsiders would be used in this storyline. It's their charaters that changed the landscape of wrestling forever. I hope vince signs them but DOSE NOT give any of them, most of al kevin nash, the belt. Have them show up, wrestle sometimes and just be cool. i can just imgine a undertaker vs kevin nash match. (rest holds,sleeping,no selling,tired old men) | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 12-04-2001 @ 9:28 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: No thats the XWF.... | ||||
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