9-11 flip side

[Toronto Hottie]

Originally posted by KensPen
yup, a dog and pony show.

If they cared about \"justice\" and retribution, we'd be in Saudi Arabia right now, not Iraq.

This

still

astounds

me

[Grumpy]

why does that astound you hottie. The Saudi's have been harboring and funding terrorists for years. During the Russian / Afghan war, the amount of money and weapons coming out of their was astounding. How else do you think they could endured for 8 years?

There are several reasons why they haven't gone after the Saudis.

1. The Saudia's are making an effort (on the surface) to appear as though they are rooting out the terrorists. I personally think it's bullshit. They are arresting "token" terrorists to appease the west.
2. The US is too dependant on oil. By invading the Saudi's, they'd have every Muslim country on the opposite side of the battlefield.
3. why? Because Saudi Arabia is where Mecca and Medina are located. The two holiest of holy cities for Muslims. To fall into "non-Muslim" hands (even in a puppet state with a "democratic governing body"), the Muslim world would be in an uproar. The US would not only make more enemies but lose every source of ARAB oil it has.

[Toronto Hottie]

Originally posted by Grumpy
why does that astound you hottie.

Because this is the country believed to be responsible for the horror of 9/11, and they have suffered NO CONSEQUENCES OF ANY SHAPE OR FORM.

The Saudi's have been harboring and funding terrorists for years. During the Russian / Afghan war, the amount of money and weapons coming out of their was astounding. How else do you think they could endured for 8 years?

More reason for the bombs that fell on Iraq to have been focussed on them, not less.

There are several reasons why they haven't gone after the Saudis.

1. The Saudia's are making an effort (on the surface) to appear as though they are rooting out the terrorists. I personally think it's bullshit. They are arresting \"token\" terrorists to appease the west.

Everybody thinks it's bullshit, nobody's buying it.

2. The US is too dependant on oil. By invading the Saudi's, they'd have every Muslim country on the opposite side of the battlefield.

The United States would have had the backing of the world. If they needed it, which they wouldn't have.

3. why? Because Saudi Arabia is where Mecca and Medina are located. The two holiest of holy cities for Muslims. To fall into \"non-Muslim\" hands (even in a puppet state with a \"democratic governing body\"), the Muslim world would be in an uproar. The US would not only make more enemies but lose every source of ARAB oil it has.

And NYC was where the Twin Towers used to reside. The Muslims in an uproar would have been but a squeak to the roar of the US for justly punishing their people, for the death they brought to yours.

[KensPen]

That is what really gets to me.....

So many people put Bush on a pedestal for all his rhetoric about bringing terrorists to justice.

All he did was use 9-11 to get revenge on the man who wanted to kill his daddy.

The fucking princes of Saudi Arabia play horse shoes with him at his ranch.

[Grumpy]

Hottie - I'm not disagreeing with you on your comment then. I think it is astonding. But I do have to disagree with you on the entire world backing the US. Mecca or Medina are two cities that they do not allow non-Muslims into. Regardless if you're a diplomat or the King of Prussia, you can not step foot in those cities. Could they stop a few Abrahm M1A1 tanks from rolling through? Probably not. But if the US did, they'd lose the international support of all of the Gulf Region and most of Western Asia. What's left? Russia? They won't touch it. They're too dependant on the little countries around them (Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kazakistan, Uzbekistan) who's population is 80% muslim. Not to mention that Kazakistan still has "missing" Russian nukes.

So you take Russia as a maybe at best? That leaves you Europe, Africa, South America and your countryman. I won't get into the Canucks. Europe has no force left except for England, France, and Germany. Which means it's the "Tony Blair and Georgie" Show again. Based on the last response that Blair got, he'd be shooting his political career in the crapper if he said yes. What's left? France and Germany? baahhahhahahhaaa ). That leaves Spain, Portugal and the Balkan states. All of which have their own civil turmoil to deal with. Africa is having it's own problems with civil wars and famine. And what part of Central America would be get involved? Mexico? Brazil? Chili?

I highly doubt GW would be able to muster up much support.

And please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Saudi's are not dirty and don't deserve to get their asses kicked from here to Kingdom Kom. Because they are and they do. I'm just saying that it's alot more complicated than people understand. Bush could go into Libya, Syria, or Iran and Muslims wouldn't blink an eye. With the exception of some radical groups (which by the way ARE NOT A MAJORITY but more a miniscule portion)they'd sit by laugh as Kadhafi and his boys get their asses whooped.

But to mess with Mecca and Medina is the equivalent of sieging the Vatican because the Pope was causing world havoc. How many Catholics would support an effort like that?

[sweet angel]

I've had a flag at my house (since 9/12/01), as well as a banner showing the firemen putting up the flag. All the radio stations by me played patriotic songs in remembrance. A lot of towns down here are having memorials.

What's my town doing you ask? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. They had a memorial service last year. This year it's "Back To School Night". Something is way wrong with that.

[Toronto Hottie]

Originally posted by Grumpy
Hottie - I'm not disagreeing with you on your comment then. I think it is astonding. But I do have to disagree with you on the entire world backing the US. Mecca or Medina are two cities that they do not allow non-Muslims into. Regardless if you're a diplomat or the King of Prussia, you can not step foot in those cities. Could they stop a few Abrahm M1A1 tanks from rolling through? Probably not. But if the US did, they'd lose the international support of all of the Gulf Region and most of Western Asia. What's left? Russia? They won't touch it. They're too dependant on the little countries around them (Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kazakistan, Uzbekistan) who's population is 80% muslim. Not to mention that Kazakistan still has \"missing\" Russian nukes.

So you take Russia as a maybe at best? That leaves you Europe, Africa, South America and your countryman. I won't get into the Canucks. Europe has no force left except for England, France, and Germany. Which means it's the \"Tony Blair and Georgie\" Show again. Based on the last response that Blair got, he'd be shooting his political career in the crapper if he said yes. What's left? France and Germany? baahhahhahahhaaa ). That leaves Spain, Portugal and the Balkan states. All of which have their own civil turmoil to deal with. Africa is having it's own problems with civil wars and famine. And what part of Central America would be get involved? Mexico? Brazil? Chili?

I highly doubt GW would be able to muster up much support.

And please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Saudi's are not dirty and don't deserve to get their asses kicked from here to Kingdom Kom. Because they are and they do. I'm just saying that it's alot more complicated than people understand. Bush could go into Libya, Syria, or Iran and Muslims wouldn't blink an eye. With the exception of some radical groups (which by the way ARE NOT A MAJORITY but more a miniscule portion)they'd sit by laugh as Kadhafi and his boys get their asses whooped.

But to mess with Mecca and Medina is the equivalent of sieging the Vatican because the Pope was causing world havoc. How many Catholics would support an effort like that?

Well, lucky for them then.

I suppose the question is then how long do they drive planes into your buildings, killing thousands of your citizens, before those cities are no longer enough to hide behind.

Again Grump, I say: The world watched what happened on 9/11, I do not believe a country in the world would've put up a protest to the US bombing the shit out of them in retaliation.

[Canadian Tool]

Originally posted by Toronto Hottie

Again Grump, I say: The world watched what happened on 9/11, I do not believe a country in the world would've put up a protest to the US bombing the shit out of them in retaliation.

Quite a few countries would have put up a major protest. It's what they do.

[SO]

I wholeheartedly support KensPen's positions.

[Toronto Hottie]

Originally posted by Canadian Tool

Originally posted by Toronto Hottie

Again Grump, I say: The world watched what happened on 9/11, I do not believe a country in the world would've put up a protest to the US bombing the shit out of them in retaliation.

Quite a few countries would have put up a major protest. It's what they do.

Bullshit.

The entire world saw Sept. 11.

The entire world knows the power of the US.

Irrelevant, if the world saw that tragedy in any country, they would understand, if not agree with, the repercussions dealt to those responsible.