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Froy King Shit board owner	posted on 01-02-2002 @ 11:44 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01	As some of you may have noticed, you can't login as moderators in the chat anymore. Here's a snippet out of an email that Steve sent out, and was forwarded to me... Along with the consmetic changes, we're also making some administrative changes. One of the areas we're going to streamline moderators is the chat room. Effective immediately, there will be no more moderators in the Foundry chat rooms. At this point, I think it's just a waste of resources that could be better put to use elsewhere. I like having staff writers, I like having you guys contribute to the many sections of this site, but policing the 20 to 25 people who populate that chat room, some of whom may or may not be troublemakers, is silly. Let 'em police themselves. We're not going to be the geeks who set the standards everyone has to measure up to. Also, and this only applies to a few people: There were way too many instances where moderators were abusing their privileges and booting people from the chat room, for let's face it, stupid fucking reasons. So as of today, no more moderators in Foundry Chat. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Sephiroth	posted on 01-02-2002 @ 11:53 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00	Fuck man, Jeff was just about to hook me up with my powers too. This blows. Trust is a weakness, Betrayal is the hidden blade. AIM \| E-MAIL \| 1337 KILLER JAPANESE SEIZURE ROBOTS

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 01-02-2002 @ 11:59 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	Thanks Froy for the copy of the foward. Well as long as I can't get booted by the chat mods, it's all good. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

Sean C0ld	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 12:04 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	there is still a chat? And is it me or does Steve always rip us "internet" people whenever he can? Fuck Steve, he has become a pompus ass who just step on the peeps he aims to appease. Wackbag gets more traffic than his site these days anyway so tell him to bend over and blow the smoke right up his own ass already!

Faceman ...And now the battle between us and them has begun. JYD-4-LIFE.	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 12:07 AM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: May. 00	Wait a second, no reprisals for what you say to people in chat? Shit, it might actually be worth going to chat now;) I guess one person can make a difference but most of the time they probably shouldn't.

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 12:16 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	I always thought that Steve was an ass ever since his "Steve's Rant" shit on O&A I heard oh so long ago. Probably one of the last times I listened. Facey, where have you been? We went from reprisals to screencaptures. Get with the times, my nigga. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 9:07 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	quote: As some of you may have noticed, you can't login as moderators in the chat anymore. Here's a snippet out of an email that Steve sent out, and was forwarded to me... Along with the consmetic changes, we're also making some administrative changes. One of the areas we're going to streamline moderators is the chat room. Effective immediately, there will be no more moderators in the Foundry chat rooms. At this point, I think it's just a waste of resources that could be better put to use elsewhere. I like having staff writers, I like having you guys contribute to the many sections of this site, but policing the 20 to 25 people who populate that chat room, some of whom may or may not be troublemakers, is silly. Let 'em police themselves. We're not going to be the geeks who set the standards everyone has to measure up to. Also, and this only applies to a few people: There were way too many instances where moderators were abusing their privileges and booting people from the chat room, for let's face it, stupid fucking reasons. So as of today, no more moderators in Foundry Chat. Steve C. has shown here he lacks the ability to understand how the chat is supposed to work. Police themselves, eh???? 25 people...hardly. He's just assured that chat will be dead for time immorial. And yes, he has a huge distaste for "internet" people, and feel anyone who questions the Foundry design is also a "neanderthal". Basically, he has a negative attitude towards his "customers" which will pretty much assure he will continue to alienate all those here. Steve maybe a nice guy in person, but as a business man and content provider, he's an asshole. He lacks an understanding or respect of those that use his site. FURTHERMORE: Ever since we've gone under the Foundry "umbrella" this site has seemed to roll to a stop in regard to show mention, and overall excitement. I understand the fiscal reasons, but think besides that, that is the only benefit we have gotten in doing so. Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. This message was edited by TheGooch on 1-3-02 @ 9:41 AM

FN Moron This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm I Mod VG's ass!	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 10:40 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	well, damn.... there's no sense in going to chat if i can't flex my internet muscles & bully peon's around... Hoo Hoo... I Invented LYVING the virgingrrl!!!!

TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 11:20 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	quote: well, damn.... there's no sense in going to chat if i can't flex my internet muscles & bully peon's around... Talking to Mavric again?? =) Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself.

Lord Magus I have Cool-Mod-Powers and can read the Cool-Mod-Forum, then I drive home in my Cool-Mod-Car UFC	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 11:51 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	20 bucks says this is because that weasel Mavric went and bitched to Steve after I banned him from chat yet again No! I am NOT a Goth Dude!! "I'm gonna change my name to Pimp Daddy Payne!"

Froy King Shit board owner	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 1:36 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01	I think you judge Steve a bit too harshly. I can sympathize with him as a webmaster, I think until you've run a site of that size and had to deal with the headaches you really can't appreciate the shit that piles up. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 2:29 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	Steve's been given a free ride too long. Countless times he's had derrogatory things to say about people who use his site, and those here...and it's belies an igorance on his part, seperating it to: "Us" vs. "Them". He deserves the verbal drubbing on this one. De-modding us in the chats, when we were the ones who used it and spent the time, is purely idiotic...and smacks of revenge from somebody else b/c of personality conflicts here. Trust me on this one, this stems from someone else, who quite frankly, shouldn't have his admin status here anymore. Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. This message was edited by TheGooch on 1-3-02 @ 2:46 PM

FN Moron This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm I Mod VG's ass!	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 3:16 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	quote: Trust me on this one, this stems from someone else, who quite frankly, shouldn't have his admin status here anymore. Gooch, you calling out Vin? Hoo Hoo... I Invented LYVING the virgingrrl!!!!

TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 3:21 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	Ha ha! Nope. But, by the way, VINNY BEAR... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself.

Sean C0ld	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 4:34 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	quote: I think you judge Steve a bit too harshly. I can sympathize with him as a webmaster, I think until you've run a site of that size and had to deal with the headaches you really can't appreciate the shit that piles up. Well, no offense Matt, but that is a load of shit. If you owned lets say a record store, and you pissed on your customers every time they asked foe music you didn't like, you would be on the corner selling your ass by the end of the week. And if it sucks that much, then fuckin throw in the towel. Why should i sympathize with him at all? He has a posh job that HE wanted. He makes more than most of us combined and if he doesn't, well, he needs a career change. If i took out my shit and pented up garbage on my customers, i would be on unemployment and posting here all hours of the night. Well, maybe not here, but I think you get the fuckin jest. Matt, you can like Steve and all his bullshit but let me ask you this: How well would you be doing if you took up that same, shitty, self serving attitude he does? I am willing to bet this site would be floating right next to WB and OTL? That fucker wouldn't be possible.

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 6:41 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	quote: At this point, I think it's just a waste of resources that could be better put to use elsewhere. Matt, as a webmaster, explain this one. Were Foundry Chat Mods a liability to FoundryMusic.com? Did Steve C, like yourself, pay the mods for doing the moderator job? Because if he did, I demand my back pay. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

Froy King Shit board owner	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 7:51 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01	Steve just likes to speak his mind more than I do. He's also a lot more harsh than I am. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't voice his opinion, just that I understand where he is coming from with what he says. It's his site to run as he sees fit, it's not my business. But I think it's very easy to sit and criticize or second guess when you're on the other side of the coin, that was my whole point. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

FoundryMusicJeff	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 9:10 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Contrary to popular belief, Gooch, it has nothing to do with me. Maveric kept e-mailing Steve about the fights going in the chat room between the mods. He got fed up, and took it away from everyone...oa.com and foundry mods. There are no mods in chat now, from any site. It's his decision, he owns it. Being that the chat room only has about 20 people in it at any given time anyway, the loss of those 20 will hardly impact the site. Steve just doesn't want to hear about the bullshit anymore. It's stupid and unnecessary and he has his own problems to deal with. This site doesn't generate any money, he has no customers, this is not a business. We make enough to pay the server bills. That's it. Now you can spend more time on OA.Com. By the way, you guys were never under the "Foundry Umbrella". Froy was always in charge of this site. We had NO hand in policy or whatever I don't appreciate your insinuations either, Gooch. There are no personality conflicts. Let's not forget I saved this board from certain financial death and licensed you my software for free. Wackbag gets more traffic than his site these days anyway so tell him to bend over and blow the smoke right up his own ass already! I'd like to see those statistics. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 9:27 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	So, in other words, Steve couldn't handle Mavric's internet bitching so he demodded chat? It's called block him on AIM, and filter your email if you don't want to hear the BS. Either way, I mostly used the Mod controls to cross reference IP #'s when needed. quote: Mistar Altruistic wrote: Let's not forget I saved this board from certain financial death and licensed you my software for free And they call me 'Pompous and Arrogant' BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

Sean C0ld	posted on 01-03-2002 @ 11:03 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	quote: I'd like to see those statistics Go to the site then you fuckin nitwit! And, I am talking about your chat, the one you said should have over 100 members in it. Listen, seriously, take your smug head and jam it squarely up your ass. [qoute]Let's not forget I saved this board from certain financial death and licensed you my software for free. Ohh, we owe you a debt of gratitude? Wait, listen........ Keep listening............ Still don't hear a fuckin thing from me? Good, so maybe now you get my point you shit. Sure, it was good of you, but since that point, you have done what exactly? I mean, besides call on this boards demise. Happily go fuck your self!

FoundryMusicJeff	posted on 01-04-2002 @ 12:31 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	quote: I mean, besides call on this boards demise... Looking at watch...should be any week now...feel free to continue sending your people over to Ronfez.Net, where everyone is treated with respect. Chief Engineer of the Starship Foundry. (NCC 1841-A) Visit FoundryMusic & Chat

Sephiroth	posted on 01-04-2002 @ 12:42 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00	quote: feel free to continue sending your people over to Ronfez.Net, where everyone is treated with respect. So long as you have at least 100 posts. Trust is a weakness, Betrayal is the hidden blade. AIM \| E-MAIL \| 1337 KILLER JAPANESE SEIZURE ROBOTS

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 01-04-2002 @ 12:47 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	quote: Looking at watch...should be any week now...feel free to continue sending your people over to Ronfez.Net, where everyone is treated with respect. 'Awwww, Hon'??? That kind of respect? Fuck that shit! That is not what this place was built upon. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

Sean C0ld	posted on 01-04-2002 @ 6:04 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	quote: Looking at watch...should be any week now...feel free to continue sending your people over to Ronfez.Net, where everyone is treated with respect. Yeah, sunshine, like we didn't know that was what you were up to all along. I for one knew you couldn't hang with the big boys the moment I had to ask you not to leave early last year because you had your soiled panties in a bunch. When will you just post there anyway you bipolar piece of dried up chum? And like you know anything about respect. You sure showed a whole lot of respect the way you handled the whole Shelle thing you fuckin kiddie touching fuck nut. Oh thats right, you will just say sorry soon anyway so why do I even bother with you? Since Steve speaks of wastes of recources, riddle me this: Isn't sending out a mass email on this site because your party sucked ass when it was a rf thing almost as much of a waste as the rest of your pathetic life? This message was edited by Sean C0ld on 1-4-02 @ 6:12 AM

TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 01-04-2002 @ 9:57 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	quote: Contrary to popular belief, Gooch, it has nothing to do with me. Maveric kept e-mailing Steve about the fights going in the chat room between the mods. He got fed up, and took it away from everyone...oa.com and foundry mods. There are no mods in chat now, from any site. It's his decision, he owns it. Being that the chat room only has about 20 people in it at any given time anyway, the loss of those 20 will hardly impact the site. Steve just doesn't want to hear about the bullshit anymore. It's stupid and unnecessary and he has his own problems to deal with. This site doesn't generate any money, he has no customers, this is not a business. We make enough to pay the server bills. That's it. Now you can spend more time on OA.Com. By the way, you guys were never under the "Foundry Umbrella". Froy was always in charge of this site. We had NO hand in policy or whatever I don't appreciate your insinuations either, Gooch. There are no personality conflicts. Let's not forget I saved this board from certain financial death and licensed you my software for free. quote: Looking at watch...should be any week now...feel free to continue sending your people over to Ronfez.Net, where everyone is treated with respect. Thank you for proving my point without me having to respond. You CLEARLY have issues with this board. Keep soaking that "newbie site" buzz...b/c this board isn't going anywhere...you are merely riding the wave on that site...albiet both sites should prove successful as the shows are successful. And, I do agree with Sean, as to that questionable use of the mailing system for your own party. Posting it, fine. Using the mailing list for your personal use, irresponsible. I will admit that you have done GREAT WORK and EFFORT on anything you've done... ...but the other stuff that has come along for the ride time to time is not appreciated. There is a level of ridiculous pettiness, attitude, intensity, and misguided rage in pretty basic situations. It's a freakin Message Board...and not god's gift to the web (and that includes all of these sites), and it's not a refuse bin for personal baggage and mishandled relations. As for Steve listening to Mavric's emails, that is just the most moronic thing in the world. Tell that man to get a little less manipulated by the one or two freaks that can't handle chat. Robeec and Mavric were the only ones who continually got booted, and they deserved it everytime. Maybe Steve should spend an ounce of his time to educate himself online and SPEAK directly to those who use the fuckin chat than listening to the TOOLS that ruin it for everybody. This chat has been mishandled, and quite frankly, and embarassment, and it's Steve's own fault. B/C in the beginning, it was a great idea and was used well. Chats can't police themselves unless you EMPOWER those in there, or have moderators...there is no in-between. And you can't half-ass it. And Steve is thankless to the time and effort we made in that CHAT, taking OUR VALUABLE TIME to go in ther eand make it workable for those chatting...SO he can go fuck himself, b/c he, like you, is an unappreciative fuck. He does not respect his mods, nor the time and effort we made. And that is unfair, and quite frankly, truly at issue, at least with me. He never had a clue to what went on there, just got his panties in a bunch over one person's emails...THAT'S FUCKIN PATHETIC. Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself.

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