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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Let's bring the debate here | ||||
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| Brittney | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:18 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01  | I've been hunting... I didn't kill anything, when it comes right down to it, I don't know if I could...but I'll eat what we catch. Venicin is GREAT.Some people get all caught up in that whole "be nice to animals thing." Not me, I eat veal, too! | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:29 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:He nver says which government.  | ||||
| FaithLess Listener | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:33 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | OK...I haven't seen this pointed out, so here goes. The difference between say a meat packing plant and a hunter who kills his/her food themself is that the hunter causes what ever creature they may be hunting to suffer greatly, and they often take great pleasure from the act. Ted, being a bow hunter, substatially increases the amount of pain that the animal suffers simply because he prefers to hunt with a bow and arrow. Even if a bow hunter is so skillfull that a head shot is always achieved, which I think we can agree is impossible, the animal always suffers a very painful and drawn out demise. Imagine an arrow plunging into your spine or you leg or even your neck. It can be said to be very inhumane when the option exists to bring these animals to a quick painless death after living a long life on a farm, as meat packers do. I can understand the exhilaration of "the hunt," I've been there, but making animals suffer and experiencing no emotion but vain pleasure from your ability to "outsmart" the animal, is a human quality that I think we would be better off without. I was neccesary in the past, and even in extreme circumstances is necesary now, but we, as a society, have grown past the point where this is needed for survival as a whole. They need not suffer. We need to control the animal population you say? Why do we need to do it with shotguns, or arrows...If Ted's noble claim to protect people from the overpopulation of wild, vicious animals was genuine, wouldn't it be more humane, not to mention easier, to do it with a syringe? We can "shot" animals with a sedative or even a "lethal injection" from a safe distance, and the animal does not suffer in the slightest. Ted PREFERS to carry out his "burden" of controling the animal population with weapons that inflict pain that I wouldn't wish on anyone simply because he enjoys it. Can you see anything wrong with that?  :::In the process of choosing some suitable quotes that are NOT from the Hitchiker's Guide::: | ||||
| Dana Dillon | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | My sister in-law, who lives in Sussex county, went into her kitchen about 5:45 last week.Her and her husband, who is a hunter, went down to their kitchen.They have sliding doors that lead out to a deck.Behind their deck is a mountain.They turned the kitchen light on, and full spread, a bear approximately 6 to 7 feet high was up against the glass.My bro in-law went got his rifle and shot it dead.They had 3 little boy's still asleep on the 1st floor not far from the kitchen.To me it's a personal choice.  | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | exactly, faithless listener. very well said. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL  Master of the Air Guitar !!!! | ||||
| Spork | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:37 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | "Guns don't kill people... bullets do." I am ALL FOR whatever puts all those DEER out of commission. Hunting, fire arms, aggressive wolf-breeding programs, whatever - I'm ALL FOR IT! I hate knowing that at any second on my commute fucking Bambi can pop out of nowhere and shove an antler into my jugular, or at the least put me through paying costly insurance deductables! There are definitely weird things to think about when you try to apply the context and intent of the second amendment to today's world. A lot of people try to use that to say "Well, they meant muskets and not the high powered stuff we have today." I think you could take it in an opposite direction. The whole point of the CONSTITUTION is to prevent the TYRANNY of the majority and of our own government. The point of the second amendment was to make it okay for people to be weary of government as a tyrant. Much like the first amendment lets us speak out against our government and not have our government tell us what our official religion should be, the second amendment was designed to protect us from our own government. If that's the case then the Founding Fathers may have wanted us to be able to own tanks, surface-to-air missiles - a whole bunch of shit. That sure as hell would keep the government in check! It's hard for us to infer that much intent into the Constitution, but it's a great document. From time to time amendments need to be made, sure, but we should always try to make sure not to derivate too much from it - the fact that it has stood up this long speaks to its greatness.  Adopted by Rone on 6/6/01 | ||||
| meatballnip | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | I have been target shooting since I was 9 years old and have been thourghly trained in the use of many types of firearms. I have gone hunting in the past and found that, for me, the only reason to hunt is out of necessity. I love to target shoot and do it as often as possible (to keep in practice for when I gotta pull out tha gat an' blast a few);) apodted by my crackdaddy, Fez as of 5/17. Damn, this school takes a long time. | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 5:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Man, now I want a tank. | ||||
| AmishBabeinPA | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:27 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | My 2 cents (which is worth a nickel in Canada:) I am not against hunting. I love me some good deer jerky. And here in the hills of Pennsy, deer hunting is such a big deal the schools are closed the Monday after Thanksgiving because that 's the first day of buck season. Bow hunting, on the other hand, seems cruel to me. I used to date a guy who was a bow hunter and he would tell me how you had to follow the trail of blood to find where the deer ran after he shot it. Nice. RE: Gun laws: I don't really understand why anyone would need a semi-automatic weapon. As far as keeping a gun for "self defense", you better make damn sure you're willing to use it or the person you want to use it on will take it right out of your hands and use it on you. I understand that someone has to pull the trigger, but if it were harder to get guns, maybe there would be less violence. God, do I sound naive or what?? Spank you very much, Amish Babe | ||||
| AmishBabeinPA | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:27 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | My 2 cents (which is worth a nickel in Canada:) I am not against hunting. I love me some good deer jerky. And here in the hills of Pennsy, deer hunting is such a big deal the schools are closed the Monday after Thanksgiving because that 's the first day of buck season. Bow hunting, on the other hand, seems cruel to me. I used to date a guy who was a bow hunter and he would tell me how you had to follow the trail of blood to find where the deer ran after he shot it. Nice. RE: Gun laws: I don't really understand why anyone would need a semi-automatic weapon. As far as keeping a gun for "self defense", you better make damn sure you're willing to use it or the person you want to use it on will take it right out of your hands and use it on you. I understand that someone has to pull the trigger, but if it were harder to get guns, maybe there would be less violence. God, do I sound naive or what?? Spank you very much, Amish Babe | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:47 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | Ok, here we go. I did a survey of 50 police officers in NY and CT on the subject of gun control for a college paper on the subject. Here is what I got back. 1) "People kill people, guns don't. If you take away guns, it won't help. If someone decides to cross the line, they will use whatever is at hand. Where do you draw the line? Banning buter knives and bats?" 2) "Look at the overall violent crime statistics available from government web sites such at the FBI, etc. The countries that have the toughest gun laws have the HIGHEST rates of burglary and violent crime. The United States is third from the bottom on the list (ranked worst to best) Tougher gun laws just ensure that people who DO obey laws won't have firearms, but the ones who don't obey the law anyways......do you think that will stop them?" 3) My favorite from a Police Captain..."As hard as we try, we usually just get there in time to write the crime scene report." If your house has never been broken into, then you don't feel the need to be able to defend yourself from a possible assailant, so shut the fuck up and let me have what I please. I'm not going to go on a rampage because I am a law abiding citizen. If I want to take an AR-15 to the range to kave fun on a weekend, who are you to say that I shouldn't be allowed to? Alcohol kills more people each year in this country, but it is politically incorrect to speak of bringing back prohibition. This is all about politics, and not the TRUTH!!!!!! Until you want to talk facts, get off our backs! Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Sloatsburgh | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:51 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | The second amendment does not grant individuals the right to bear arms. It grants the states (basically the locality) the right to produce an army independent of Federal Goverment control. This was done to prevent a tyrranical government. How/Why? The Chinese in Tinannen Square were masacred by, for a lack of a better term, "hick" soldiers who felt that the urban students were whiney and disloyal. An army of urban soldiers would have been more resistant to slaughtering the citizens. That being said: You have to have a licence to own and operate a nailgun (correct me if I'm wrong), but not a hammer. There is no reason to own a AK47 for PRACTICAL reasons unless you plan on shooting people, whether it be the INS, FBI, CIA, USAF, or USPS. That being said, Nuggent hunting with a bow is a hell of a lot sport that with a sniper rifle (from 3 miles away). At least the animal has a chance. Plus, is you are growing life, you should be allowed to take it. If you grow carrots, you should be allowed to harvest. If you reproduce Buffalo (or give them a safe haven to romp), then you should be allowed to harvest them too.  You are an example of Reverse-Darwinism: The product of 2 inferior humans. | ||||
| Big Ed | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 00 | WELL DUMB ASS FAITHLESS LISTENER FUCKFACE YOU SHOULD LEARN YOUR FACTS BEFORE TRYING TO START A FIGHT YOU FUCKING NIT WIT. THE REASON THAT POINT WASN'T BROUGHT UP IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT I.E. WE ALL (EXCEPT YOU ) KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T SHOOT AN ARROW THROUGHT THE SKULL NO MATTER HOW GOOD OF A SHOT YOU ARE THE ARROWS DON'T PENETRATE DUMB ASS!!!! lberals suck | ||||
| pmbillrich | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: That has to be the stupidest idea I've ever heard. You're telling us that you want chemicals in your steak, that are capable of killing a 1500lb animal? Mmmm Tasty, Gack!! Thud. Thanks moron. Get in the box!! I own a gun, I target shoot, I have never hunted, I don't plan to, but I do support hunting. I don't think I could bring myself to kill an animal, people yes, animals no. I have heard that drug dealers are overpopulating the cities, maybe there should be a season for them... Now there's a sport we can all get behind! Stuck in the boonies, Forced underground, two minutes late. | ||||
| Big Ed | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 6:58 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 00 | THERE WOULDN'T BE LESS VIOLENCE DIPSHIT, PEOPLE WOULD USE OTHER MEANS TO KILL ....USE YOUR HEAD FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN A FUCKING HAT RACK lberals suck | ||||
| Big Ed | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 7:01 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 00 | AMEN TO JOESIN I COULDN'T HAVE SIAD IT ANY BETTER lberals suck | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 7:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: i dont know why you are calling him a dumbass because all you just did was prove his point. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL Master of the Air Guitar !!!! | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 7:07 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | Thanks Big Ed..at least someone out there has some sense. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. This message was edited by Jonesin on 6-13-01 @ 7:10 PM | ||||
| MUFFY | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 7:07 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | I dont know about you people i feel alot better with my A-R 15 in my closet then again i live in PA where I can walk into Walmart and buy a gun and walk out in 5 min as for Ted Nugent the guy gives a fuck enough said I NEED AIR | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 8:38 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I wouldn't worry too much about wiping out the animals of the planet It's all chaos...god creates animals, god creates man, man kills animals, man plays god and creates animals, man cannot control animals, animals rule the world or It's all Darwin...we, as humans, are at the top of the food chain. we have advanced brains capable of creating death machines such as guns and slaughter houses. Once we kill off all known species, we eat ourselves. Earth becomes barron, animals rule the world, humans come back and kill it all again!  You're not gonna take my hair and plant an evil Dewey are you? | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 8:56 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | If you want to ban everything that might cause danger then nobody should own sports cars....after all, the national speed limit is only 65mph. Why do you "need" to have a Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, etc... that can do 170mph? All women are equipped to be prostitutes, does that mean that they are all prostitutes? Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 8:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Hmm hunting... It's only wrong if you either use an assault rifle to hunt, or hunt for no apparent reason. Hunting is to be done when you're hungry or want something to talk about. But if you're gonna hunt an animal, at least make use of the meat. I don't like people who hunt an animal then toss it away. That's a sign of disrespect.  OA.com's headhunter and veteran Watching over Kansei, one slot available | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:05 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | Exactly, only kill what you are going to eat. I don't hunt...I could never kill anything. (unless is broke into my house at 3:00 AM, but I wouldn't eat it) I have friends that hunt. One of them finished in the top 5 in the world archery championhhips. He saw someone take a shot at a deer that had no chance of being a 'kill shot', and he went ballistic on the guy for being stupid. If you want to hunt, thats fine. But don't be a dick about it. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:05 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Let's put it this way News Flash Japan... Drifter stabs 8 2nd graders to death! ok...now this is pure speculation, but I believe Japan has very strict gun laws Gun or Knife drifter still killed 8 kids...this says to me that if no gun available I find some other weapon of destruction You're not gonna take my hair and plant an evil Dewey are you? | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:15 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | "Drifter stabs 8 2nd graders to death! ok...now this is pure speculation, but I believe Japan has very strict gun laws " Thank you for pointing this out, I forgot that part. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
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